From 3ee8da73d904a64ada1719945e7b8467e6c0c60a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Leandro Lucarella <luca@llucax.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:39:11 +0100
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] blog: Publish post about LANGUAGE

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+Title: The LANGUAGE variable is broken for English as main language
+Tags: en, linux, language, gettext, lang
+
+The ``LANGUAGE`` environment variable can `accept multiple fallback
+languages`__ (at least if your commands are using ``gettext``), so if your main
+``LANG`` is, say, ``es``, but you also speak ``fr``, then you can use
+``LANGUAGE=es:fr``.
+
+__ https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#The-LANGUAGE-variable
+
+But what happens when you main ``LANG`` is ``en``, so for example your
+``LANGUAGE`` looks like ``en:es:de``? You'll notice some message that used to
+be in perfect English before using the multi-language fallback now seem to be
+shown randomly in ``es`` or ``de``.
+
+Well, it is not random. The thing is, since English tends to be the de-facto
+language for the original strings in a program, it looks like almost **nobody**
+provides an ``en`` *translation*, so when fallback is active, almost no
+programs will show messages in English.
+
+For example, this is my Debian testing system with roughly 3.5K packages
+installed:
+
+.. code:: console
+
+  $ dpkg -l |wc -l
+  3522
+  $ ls /usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/ | wc -l
+  12
+
+Only 12 packages have a plain English locale. ``en_GB`` does a bit better:
+
+.. code:: console
+
+  $ ls /usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/ | wc -l
+  732
+
+732 packages. This is still lower than both ``en`` and ``de``:
+
+.. code:: console
+
+  $ ls /usr/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/ | wc -l
+  821
+  $ ls /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/ | wc -l
+  820
+
+The weird thing is packages as basic as ``psmisc`` (providing, for example,
+``killall``) and ``coreutils`` (providing, for example, ``ls``) don't have an
+``en`` locale, and ``psmisc`` doesn't provide ``es``. This is why at some point
+it seemed like a random locale was being used. I had something like
+``LANGUAGE=en_GB:en_US:en:es:de`` and I use KDE as my desktop environment. KDE
+seems to be correctly *translated* to ``en_GB``, so I was seeing most of my
+desktop in English as expected, but when using ``killall``, I got errors in
+German, and when using ``ls``, I got errors in Spanish.
+
+If you don't provide other fallback languages, gettext will automatically fall
+back to the ``C`` locale, which is the original strings embedded in the source
+code, which are usually in English, and this is why if you don't provide
+fallback languages (other than English at least), all will work in English as
+expected. Of course if you use ``C`` in your fallback languages, before any
+non-English language, then they will be ignored as the ``C`` locale should
+always be present, so that's not an option.
+
+I find it very curious that this issue has almost zero visibility. At least my
+searches for the issue didn't throw any useful results. I had to figure it all
+out by myself like in the good old pre-stackoverflow times...
+
+.. note:: I know is not a typical use case, as since almost all software use
+  English for the ``C`` locale it hardly makes any sense to use fallback
+  languages in practice if your main language is English. But theoretically it
+  could happen, and providing an ``en`` translation is trivial.
diff --git a/source/blog/posts/db b/source/blog/posts/db
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--- a/source/blog/posts/db
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@@ -429,3 +429,4 @@
 2015/09/26-día-de-la-condena-errada.rst, 1443299538.0, 1443299538.0
 2016/04/02-simplicity.rst, 1459551507.0, 1459551507.0
 2016/05/12-elephone-p9000.rst, 1605697852.0, 1605697852.0
+2020/11/18-language-broken-for-en.rst, 1605699495.0, 1605699495.0
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